tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3352166344614826568.post8315707490929601225..comments2024-03-14T10:07:59.760-07:00Comments on American Alpine Institute - Climbing Blog: Cerro Torre and Red Bolt - The Controversy ContinuesErin-Leigh Hardyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10781785451497618508noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3352166344614826568.post-90862803815686054072010-06-06T05:42:38.715-07:002010-06-06T05:42:38.715-07:00Your comment that Lama does not understand ethics ...Your comment that Lama does not understand ethics seems to be true. He was involved in another ethics controversy earlier this year in the UK. Whilst this was a much less serious affair abou the use of chalk, it does seem to confirm the fact that Lama has no clue about ethics at all. Shame on him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3352166344614826568.post-48513123277746061532010-06-04T11:16:00.781-07:002010-06-04T11:16:00.781-07:00Top of Form
For your reference,
Here is the Desni...Top of Form<br />For your reference,<br /><br />Here is the Desnivel article (translated by Google):<br />Bottom of Form<br /><br />http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.desnivel.com/object.php%3Fo%3D20025&sl=es&tl=en<br /><br />-DyanDyannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3352166344614826568.post-51065922352880321072010-06-04T11:02:17.302-07:002010-06-04T11:02:17.302-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Dyannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3352166344614826568.post-48696050069130100062010-06-04T10:21:06.843-07:002010-06-04T10:21:06.843-07:00Blondin,
Read Rolo's piece on Desnivel. The...Blondin, <br /><br />Read Rolo's piece on Desnivel. There are translations quoted in the Alpinist article and on Super Topo. The initial outrage of this did not start in Boulder. It started in Argentina. Much of the outrage here has less to do with the numbers of bolts but the attitude of the climbers who placed them. Their bolting went against local ethics consensus. Look at all the spanish comments on Lama's facebook page. The issue at stake is not to bolt or not. But how corporate climbers interact with locals outside of their home turf. Lama couldn't get away with this type of thing in the states or canada because those communities are well known for their views. But Argentina lacks the world renown for their home grown climbing culture that Yosemite has. And as a result got trampled by some over eager foreigners with Bosch drills. <br /><br />If you have local area you enjoy imagine if next time you rope up you find a large number of bolts placed their by an Australian film crew. Just because most people wont climb at your spot doesn't mean that one can do as one feels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3352166344614826568.post-621609024357720682010-06-04T09:19:28.774-07:002010-06-04T09:19:28.774-07:00as wrong as many think it may be, isn't this b...as wrong as many think it may be, isn't this blown way out of proportion?<br />i mean really the route ain't in Boulder and the "ethics" used in many north american areas may not apply. <br />of note is how many people have actually climbed there? and who has even seen or fully understand how the route was put up back in '71.<br />this has caused such an stir yet huge commercial expeditions to areas in places like the himalayas do much the same and quite a bit worse in many respects.<br />not trying to downplay what took place or what will happen down the road (are they coming back to complete the route and or remove bolts?)with this but how about a reality check?Francis Kelseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06431414816368151853noreply@blogger.com